The Ghastly Cleveland Torso Murders

The Ghastly Cleveland Torso Murders

– [Ryan] This week on Buzzfeed Unsolved we investigate the
Cleveland Torso Murderer, one of the most gruesome
serial killers of all time. – That’s a, that’s a hell
of an accomplishment. – He’s not the most definitively, but I will say he’s one of the most. He’s in the upper echelon for sure. It’s not a shiny badge of
honor on anyone’s part. – You sound like you’re impressed. – I’m not impressed, the things he did were pretty, for lack of a better term, gross
– Wonderful? – Gross. – Okay, whatever you say. Between 1934 and 1938 in Cleveland Ohio, near Kingsbury Run, 13 people, comprised of six women and seven men were killed by a serial killer. Of those 13 only three were identified. And almost all of them were
vagrants or sex workers. All of the victims were decapitated, and in some cases the
head was never found. – He just killed anybody. You also will see, he
killed all ages as well, like this guy just didn’t give a shit. – He’s just death. – The killer often dismembered
the body through the torso. And in no instance was a
body found fully intact. These gruesome tendencies
earned the killer the name the Cleveland Torso Killer or the
Mad Butcher of Kingsbury Run. Here’s a little background
on Kingsbury Run. In the 1930’s, Cleveland’s Kingsbury Run was a bleak, dangerous place, where many poor lived
in terrible conditions. Sometimes called, a quote,
hobo jungle, end quote. Just east of Kingsbury
Run was a sketchy area called the Roaring Third,
known for it’s bars, gambling dens, and brothels. – [Shane] I’m into
that, I like that place. – [Ryan] The Roaring Third? – [Shane] Yeah! – [Ryan] Is that a
place you would frequent back in the day?
– [Shane] I’d be there! – [Ryan] You’d be dead. – [Shane] It’s got… – [Ryan] He’d see you,
he’d see those long limbs, and he’d say oh man I got some
big ornaments to make here. – Bars, gambling dens, and brothels. – Yeah. – Now, currently, now a
days, I said this before, but we have a lot of
entertainment at our disposal. I got YouTube, I’ve got my Playstation, and pretty much that’s it. But back then, not a lot
to amuse yourself with so I would for sure,
every night of the week, be down at a bar, a
gambling den, or a brothel. – So this is part of the recurring theme that you’ve had throughout the show, where if there weren’t
modern devices you’d be, – An insane psychopath.
– I’d be a monster. Yes. – [Ryan] With the stage set, let’s jump into the timeline of the killings. On September 5th, 1934, the first victim, an unidentified woman in her 30’s, was found on the shores of Lake Eerie. All that was found was part of her torso, thighs, and other body parts. But no head. Her skin was leathery and red
from a chemical preservative. On September 23rd,
1935, the second victim, a 28 year old man named Edward Andrassy, was found near Kingsbury Run,
at the base of Jackass Hill. – [Shane] (giggle) – [Ryan] That’s actually
what that’s named. I know that was gonna
elicit some kind of giggle. – [Shane] Sucks. – [Ryan] So just get it, – [Shane] It sucks. – [Ryan] just get it out of the way. – [Shane] It sucks to die like that. – [Ryan] At the base of Jackass Hill? – [Shane] Yeah, where’d they find him? Oh the base of Jackass
Hill, that’s not fun. – [Ryan] I’m sure they omitted
that out of the eulogy. – [Shane] Why even call
it, I guess there were burros there at some point or a donkey? – [Ryan] Andrassy was a hospital orderly and a regular around the Roaring Third. The body was drained of
blood, naked, and emasculated. With rope burns on the wrists. On that same day, the third
victim was found nearby. An unidentified 40 year old male, and was also decapitated and emasculated. The body also had the
same chemical preservative from the first killing. On January 26th, 1936, the fourth victim a woman named Florence Polillo, was found wrapped up in newspaper
inside half bushel baskets by the Hart Manufacturing building. Polillo was a sex worker,
barmaid, and waitress, who lived in the Roaring Third. He’s getting bolder with the
places he’s dumping bodies. The first one was a
lake, the second one was on the side of the hill, the third one was nearby to the hill, and now this one, in front of an actual workplace. – [Shane] Yeah. – [Ryan] In, you know,
a metropolitan area. On June 5th, 1936, the
head of the fifth victim, an unidentified man, was found wrapped in trousers in Kingsbury Run, the rest of the body
was found the next day in an even more audacious location. In front of the Nickel Plate
Railroad Police Building. So once again, he’s escalating. – Yeah. One of the saddest parts to me is that, so many of these bodies were unidentified. – Yeah. – Because it’s just, I’m always of the opinion that once I’m dead, you can do anything you want with my body. Throw it out in the street
and let the dogs eat it. But I at least want people
to look my body and go, yeah that’s Shane, that was Shane, who is being eaten right now. – That’s Shane in that
basset hound’s mouth. – Give him a send off, whatever, say your kind words about him. – That’d be a happy dog,
that’s a big ass bone. On July 22nd, 1936, the sixth victim, an unidentified 40 year old man, was found in the woods near Clinton Road. The man had been dead for two months. One noteworthy observation
was the blood on the ground, suggesting he had been killed on-site, and not dumped there, as
indicated by the other body sites. – [Shane] So this is
someone who’s just out walking around who gets, gets got. – [Ryan] Well, the thing
that is interesting to me about this, is because
all of the other ones have been dismembered in a way
that was medically efficient. Most likely done after death. This is one that seems to be
done in the heat of the moment. Which either means to me,
this is not the same guy, or since it obviously is the same guy, he’s getting antsy, he’s losing his grip, he doesn’t care anymore and
he’s starting to do things that aren’t as premeditated. On September 10th 1936,
the seventh victim, an unidentified man, was
found near the train tracks in Kingsbury Run, he had
been killed by decapitation. In a manner that the coroner
noticed was confident, in one stroke, which
implied that the killer was both brazen and
educated in human anatomy. – [Shane] This is gross, but I think it’s hard to cut off a head. – [Ryan] It apparently is kinda hard. – [Shane] Yeah. – [Ryan] And there was one case, where someone had, it took them, I forget which royal it
was, it was a British royal. – [Shane] Yeah. – [Ryan] It took five strokes. Also, another thing,
you are slightly alive. I was reading this one
recorded case of a guy, who watched someones head get
cut off by the guillotine. He said the head rolled around, and he saw the guys eyes, – He blinked? – He blinked, and he saw recognition in the eyes when he said his name. – Wasn’t there an old tale of someone who for science, told the
person getting executed to blink as long as they could? – Oh see that’s kinda cool. – Yeah that’s pretty cool. – But if you were a piece
of shit your whole life, and you’re getting executed
because you’re an awful person, the lease you could do, – You could do this thing for science. – One solid on the way out. – For science man, give
us a little something. – It’d be better to not
blink, but if they were like, would you give us a, – A wink? (laughs) – Cause your vocal cords are gone, right, so but you could wink. – I mean I guess it depends, if they, I would ask them to chop it
just below the vocal cords, so I could roll over and be like, ♪ Hello my baby, hello ♪ (laughs) – [Ryan] At this point
many local papers reported the murder spree on a near daily basis, and yet, there were no suspects or clues. As expected, this put a
considerable amount of heat on the investigating authorities. Detectives Peter Merylo
and Martin Zelewski interviewed over 1,500
people on their own. Here’s even a picture of Detective Merylo undercover as a vagrant. – [Shane] That is the most
cartoonish hobo I’ve ever seen. – [Ryan] Is the most (laughs) – [Shane] He looked like he
watched Bugs Bunny cartoons, in which Bugs Bunny was on the railroad. And was like, yup, that’ll do. – [Ryan] You think he
has like a couple PB J’s in that little bag there? – [Shane] Probably. – Maybe this is like accurate to the time. – I don’t think it was. – So you think that he was just like, I bet you this is what vagrants look like, and he went out there and he was like jesus christ I don’t
look anything like them. – Probably. Probably actual people who
looked like real human beings and then this guy walking
up like he walked off the Warner Brothers set. – [Ryan] Jumping back into the timeline, on February 23rd, 1937,
parts of the eighth victim, an unidentified woman in her 20’s, were found on the shore
east of Brahtenahl. On June 5th, 1937, the ninth victim, determined to be a
woman name Rose Wallace, was found under the
Lorain-Carnegie Bridge. Her remains were merely a
skull and a bag of bones. On July 6th, 1937, the tenth victim, an unidentified man in
his mid to late 30’s, was found in the Cuyahoga River. His heart was ripped out and
the abdominal area was gutted. The proximity of the killings
are starting to shrink here. – [Shane] He got to enjoy
fourth of July though, which is my favorite holiday. – [Ryan] I guess he did. – [Shane] I think that’s
fun, it’s a good holiday. – Yeah I suppose if I
had to choose between getting murdered July 3rd or July 6th, I’d choose July 6th. – Always a silver lining,
that’s what I’m saying. – With a belly full of hot dogs and brew. – Yeah. – [Ryan] In April/May of 1938, parts of the eleventh
victim, an unidentified woman was found in the Cuyahoga River. Interestingly, this was the first time that a victim had drugs in their system. This left authorities to
wonder whether the drugs were recreational or used
to keep her from moving. Maybe this contributes to why the stokes were so confident, and so absolute. – [Shane] Cause they weren’t moving? – [Ryan] Because they weren’t moving. – [Shane] Hmmm. – [Ryan] And the only reason I posit this, is because drugs may be involved in one of the case’s main suspects, later. – Okay. Pretty horrifying to imagine
that you were drugged and you can only just move your eyes. Have you ever had that? Is that in a movie? – That’s in Wolf Creek. – Yeah. – A serial killer cuts
someone’s spinal cord, so they can’t move, so
they’re forced to just watch what’s happening to their friend. – But their eyes can move. – But their eyes can move. – That’s horrifying. – It is pretty scary. As all of these gruesome
murders were ongoing, Mayor Harold Burton,
increasingly pressured Safety Director Eliot
Ness to make headway. You may know Eliot Ness
as the famed G Man, who led his illustrious
group of untouchables to bust Al Capone’s breweries. Other credits to Ness’s glowing resume included defeating the Mayfield Road mob, crooked police, and labor racketeers. Contributing to his status
as a law enforcement legend. As City Safety Director,
Ness was involved with both the fire and police departments, and given his decorated track record, Ness was at serious risk
of tainting his reputation should he not make
headway on the torso case. With that in mind, let’s
discuss the last two killings. On August 16th, 1938, the
twelfth and thirteenth victims both unidentified were found in perhaps the most reckless location of all. The bodies were found
within view of Eliot Ness’s office window, a taunt that
obviously resonated with Ness. – [Shane] Oh wow, that’s bold. – This fucking guy. You’re gonna coast out, and you’re gonna coast into retirement, right, you know? – Yeah. – Everything’s great, and at the last leg, this piece of shit comes in, – Yeah. – and just starts messing with you. Commits some of the most
grisly murders of all time. – Yeah. – In your playground. And then, he puts it and
rubs your nose in it. – [Shane] Yeah. – [Ryan] Two days later
on August 18th, 1938, at 12:40 AM, Director Ness,
and a squadron of 35 detectives and police officers raided
Kingsbury Run’s hobo jungle. They rounded up 63 men, and scoured the shacks for an sign of the killer. Most noteworthy, in a move
that has been criticized, Ness then ordered the
shacks to be burnt down, the people displaced were then charged with being homeless, which
they plead guilty for. Ness’s involvement in this
episode of the investigation has been referred to
as cruel and draconian. – [Shane] Okay. – [Ryan] This, it, I mean,
he pretty much just said I can’t find what’s going
on in this part of town. Let’s burn it all down. – [Shane] It’s literally
like a scorched earth. – [Ryan] He literally went scorched earth. – [Shane] Yeah. – [Ryan] According to James Badal, the preeminent expert on this case, Ness’s raid was intended
to protect the transients in a bizarre and backwards way. Ness wanted to eliminate the
pool of potential victims, thinking that the killer
targeted transients. Which, to be fair, was true. He also wanted the
transients’ fingerprints, in the event that they were later killed. – It feels like maybe
the fingerprint excuse, is exactly that, it’s just an excuse. When people are like
hey, why you terrorizing an entire population of people, and setting their homes on fire? Suddenly he needed to come
up with a reason for that. – He’s coming to his senses. – Yeah, and going, uh, fingerprints? Like it seems like he’s just
kind of back pedaling there. – He was just like, fingerprints. – Fingerprints. – I need fingerprints, that’s… – Sure. – [Ryan] Either way, the
killings did stop after the raid. Whether or not the raid had anything to do with that is debatable. Certainly, Ness’s shiny
reputation was damaged by this action, and it also
brought the investigators no closer to identifying the killer. That being said, the case
is considered by some to be unofficially
solved, and furthermore, the solution was reached
partly by Ness himself. With that, let’s get into the suspects. The first suspect was 52
brick layer Frank Dolezal. In July of 1939, Dolezal was
arrested by county sheriff, Martin O’Donnell, for the murder of Florence Polillo, the fourth victim. Dolezal had actually lived
with Polillo for a time. Furthermore, Dolezal also knew victims Edward Andrassy and Rose Wallace. Following his arrest,
Frank Dolezal confessed, to murdering Florence Polillo. However, he later said he had been beaten and recanted his confession, in fact, Dolezal had suffered six broken ribs while in the custody of the sheriff. Further casting doubt upon the confession. The confession appeared to be coached, as it was a mix of prepackaged details and incomprehensible ramblings. According to case expert James Badal, the lead detective on the case
later said in his memoirs, “This is the first time
that I’ve ever known “anyone to confess to a crime
that didn’t know the details “of the crime to which he was confessing.” – [Shane] They beat the
shit out of him probably. – [Ryan] A hundred percent. – [Shane] Yes. – [Ryan] And it’s very very sad. – [Shane] Yes. Him knowing numerous people
in the camp doesn’t seem, I mean, he knew, so a lot
were a lot of these people people who lived in that neighborhood, – [Ryan] Yes. – [Shane] Or in the shantytown kinda? – [Ryan] I think what happened is, they saw he lived with one of the victims. – [Shane] Yeah. – Then they found out he knew the other two victims who were identified, and they thought,
everyone’s on us right now, lotta pressure from the mayor, the public is starting to get pissed off. I think it’s time to do the deed. Nonetheless, Dolezal remained
incarcerated for the crime. Which makes the event that
followed all the more suspicious. One month later, in August
1939, Dolezal committed suicide in his jail cell before going to trial. Hanging himself on a hook that was five feet and seven
inches from the ground. The problem with that is, Frank Dolezal, was five feet and eight inches tall. Logically, how could a
person hang themselves from an object that they were taller than? It seems like it may be
logistically impossible for him to hang himself
from it, he’d have to… – [Shane] You can, I don’t
know, I think that’s possible. – It’s suspicious to me, given
the things that preceded it. They coached his confession out of him, maybe they’re starting…
– oh I see what you’re saying, you’re saying the police maybe had, oh that didn’t occur to me
that the police would… – What I’m saying is,
they seem very very set on this particular guy. – Yeah. – They beaten him, they’ve
gotten a confession out of him, they start to think this is
going to go to trial soon. – Oh, okay, I did not put that together. – [Ryan] In addition
James Badal interviewed forensic science experts that
looked at Dolezal’s autopsy. The experts concluded that
he didn’t end his own life the way people were told he did. Though, the experts don’t explicitly say he was murdered while imprisoned. Either way, virtually no one believes Frank Dolezal was the killer. A marker, purchased by
James Badal and his team, was laid on Dolezal’s
grave in August 2010, with Dolezal’s family
members in attendance, that reads “Rest Now” Thus vindicating Dolezal posthumously. In these Unsolved episodes it’s not often that we get nice sentiment. And this, – [Shane] Let’s hang on to this
one, let’s really savor it. – [Ryan] This is, actually very lovely. – [Shane] Rest now, that’s nice. – [Ryan] That’s nice. The second and final suspect
we will discuss today, is Dr Francis E Sweeney. In the 1970’s Sweeney was discovered to be Safety Director Eliot
Ness’s secret suspect. Sweeney is also thought
to have been the killer, according to case expert James Badal, who as of 2014, had spent 18
years researching the killings. Dr Francis E Sweeney fit the profile. He was a doctor, and would’ve
had the necessary skill and anatomical knowledge
to perform the killings. Sweeney had also been
probate court multiple times. And his wife noted his
problems with alcoholism. His abuse of her and their two sons, his days long disappearances, and his neglect of his practice. Shortly after the final murder, Sweeney checked himself
into a mental institution, after which the killings stopped. In 1956, Sweeney was
diagnosed as schizophrenic. In May 1938, Eliot Ness
secretly apprehended Sweeney, taking him to the old Cleveland Hotel. Ness kept Sweeney there
for about 10 to 14 days, as it took Sweeney three
days to even sober up. – Just Ness brewing coffee the whole time. Slapping him in the face, – Mug of water in his face. – Tickling his feet with
some feathers, I don’t know. – [Ryan] Miranda Rights
were not in place yet. Though, this process was still in conflict with the rules of civil
liberties of the time. The inventor of the modern
polygraph, Leonard Keeler, administered a lie
detector test to Sweeney. Which he failed, twice. Keeler told Ness,”That’s your man. “I might as well throw
my machine out the window “if I say anything different.” – This makes me wonder if he in his mind thought he was sort of a
vigilante justice type. You know, cause Bruce Wayne
was a very successful, very powerful man. – Are you comparing the
torso killer to Batman? – I’m not. – It sounds like you’re comparing
the torso killer to Batman – I’m just saying I think
maybe the torso killer thought that he, – Is Batman. – Was the Batman type. Except Batman never
cut anybody’s head off, that would really ruin it. – Yeah Batman didn’t kill people, he just, knocked them out a little bit. He’s not Batman. Ness had to proceed
carefully, because Sweeney, was a cousin of congressman
Martin L Sweeney. I wonder if this affiliation,
along with the detention, violating civil liberties,
contributed to Ness keeping the lie detector test a secret. Regardless, despite this revelation, Francis Sweeney was released, and less than three months later, the final two torso victims were placed within view of Ness’s window. Seemingly to mock him. Ness would continue to get
mocked well after the killings. In the 50’s Ness received
taunting note cards from someone claiming
to be Francis Sweeney. And since Sweeney was a secret suspect, I would imagine it’s
likely that the sender was indeed Sweeney. – [Shane] What do the note cards say? – [Ryan] They pretty much say nonsense. – [Shane] Do they implicate
that he is the killer or is it him essentially just… – [Ryan] It’s him
thumbing his nose at him, knowing that even if these note cards were taken to court, – [Shane] they wouldn’t mean anything. – [Ryan] They wouldn’t mean anything, which is, even more infuriating. – [Shane] Yeah. – [Ryan] Unfortunately,
despite feeling he had solved the case, Ness didn’t have
enough to take Sweeney to trial. Though, the case against
Sweeney doesn’t end there. In 1938, a vagrant named
Emile Fronek told authorities that in 1934, a doctor tried to drug him. He remembered the office
was somewhere around East 50th and East 55th
on Broadway Street. Unfortunately when authorities
drove Fronek up Broadway, he couldn’t find anything
that appeared to be a medical office, and from there, his story was dismissed as irrelevant. However, more than 70 years later, case expert James Badal,
discovered that Francis Sweeney practiced medicine out of
a modest looking building, at the corner of Broadway
and Purshing Avenue. This building closely matches where Fronek remembered getting drugged. It’s in this building that
Badal believed Sweeney could’ve drugged Fronek
as well as other victims. Though, the torso killer
murders would’ve resulted in a large amount of blood evidence. So, how could Sweeney have
carried out those murders in these offices, without
eventually being caught? – Spread out tarps, and just whoosh. – Cause I imagine it would be
pretty hard to explain this. I know this looks bad. – He’s got a head cold. (laughs) – [Ryan] The answer may
lie with David Cowles, the leader of the Scientific
Identification Bureau, who was interviewed by the Cleveland Police Historical Society in 1983. Cowles suggests that Sweeney may have had an agreement with an undertaker. That he could practice surgery
on the unclaimed bodies in the undertakers funeral home. If this is true, a funeral
home would function nicely as a way to dispose of blood evidence. This arrangement, however,
does seem to be possible, as directly next door to Sweeney’s office was a funeral home, in
fact, the funeral home had a concrete ramp located
behind the building, that conveniently led to
the undertaking facilities. Both Sweeney’s medical
office, and the funeral home are a short car ride away
from where the September 1935 victims were found, which was
not far from the Roaring Third In Badal’s opinion, Sweeney
could’ve visited bars near the center of town,
to lure people back to his office with promises
of alcohol or drugs. – He just made an agreement with them say, yeah you can work on our dead bodies, but then he’d bring in some of his own. – I think that’s what it was. – I see okay. – He snuck in some, you
know, some of his own in. – Some of his own sinful collections. – He was getting some of
his own critics picks. – Yeah. – [Ryan] Badal, with the help of the great nephew of one of
Francis Sweeney’s colleagues, was able to use photos and diagrams to compare the torso killer
and Sweeney’s movements. Badal calls the results, “Creepy as hell.” All this information
allowed Badal to conclude that Sweeney was indeed the killer, though Badal cautions, “I think I put together a
pretty good circumstantial case, “I realize you couldn’t take it to court, “and Ness realized back then,
he couldn’t take it to court.” – [Shane] It’s crazy that all he had to do was follow the rules and
it’s quite likely he may have gathered some legitimate
evidence on the guy, or at least… – [Ryan] The thing is, all he had was, Sweeney fit the profile, right. – [Shane] Yes. – [Ryan] But that isn’t grounds
to getting a search warrant for someone or bringing someone in. – [Shane] No. – I don’t know what the rules are, of maybe when you’re allowed
to arrest somebody, or even submit them to something
like a lie detector test, – Yeah. – I imagine it wasn’t enough for him to do it when he did it. – Yeah. – Or ever. Sweeney would have to slip, publicly. There are however some criticisms
of the Sweeney explanation police and crime reporter Doris O’Donnell, believes that somebody at the funeral home would have noticed something
weird was going on. Yet, O’Donnell may be
biased, since her uncle was the sheriff who arrested
the controversial suspect, Frank Dolezal in 1939. I think it’s like one of those things where you wouldn’t even dare to dream that someone would use this
as a place to kill people. – [Shane] Right. – [Ryan] Cause you’re
around death all the time, all you see is dead bodies,
what makes you think they’re gonna be like
oh, I wonder if someone’s using this to uh kill people. Also even Badal acknowledges
that the medical office setup could have only been utilized
for the initial murders, before colleagues could become suspicious. He doesn’t know where the
murders that followed occurred. Others including lead
Detective, Peter Merylo, believe the torso murders were
committed by the same person that committed murders in
New Castle, Pennsylvania. Detective Merylo felt that
Sweeney was too overweight to make the rail trip back and forth between New Castle and Cleveland. Which consequently led
to Merylo’s discounting of Sweeney as a suspect. But, to be fair, Merylo had
also been kept in the dark about Sweeney’s secret
interrogation and lie detector test. I for one, will go on record
by saying, I do think it’s him. – I will also go out on that limb. Great work Ryan! – That’s the best I could give. – Yeah, so well, I guess I
shouldn’t say great work Ryan, cause you didn’t solve… – I didn’t do anything, James Badal did. – Yeah. – [Ryan] Regardless,
Francis Sweeney remains, for the most part, the
most popular suspect. In the case of Eliot Ness and James Badal, they believe that he
is not just a suspect, but in fact the killer. However, we may never be able
to definitively prove that. And for now, the case
remains officially unsolved.

100 thoughts on “The Ghastly Cleveland Torso Murders

  1. Guys….lie detector tests are not admissible as evidence. They can be beaten; they can be fooled; they are often false. They are not accurate. They are not proof of anything.

  2. "So this is part of the recurring theme that you've had throughout the show where, if there weren't modern devices you'd be….an insane psychopath" "yes"

  3. Do u ever think that some serial killers are females. Like for this one she might think that females shouldn’t be used like sex toys and that makes shouldn’t use woman like that so she takes it upon herself to wipe sex workers to frighten woman to stop being sex workers and males to stop using woman like that

  4. The reason the killer was so bold was because he was in law enforcement. Happens WAY more often than you think. Remember golden state killer ?

  5. in dolezal's case: not saying he did, but you can hang yourself at nearly any height. i don't want to explain the details, but give it a google if you're…reeeeally curious??

  6. There's a Japanese legend of this school girl named teke teke that killed you my separating the torsos from the rest of the body…

  7. Maybe it was the original officer who was working on the case, I mean this was the only case he couldn’t solve maybe it was his own…..

  8. the one thing that has always bugged me about this episode is when shane says he'd want them to chop his head below the vocal cords. because for a man who regularly and accurately cites science he somehow isn't aware you can't talk without your lungs

  9. i find this stuff really interesting but it really spooks me knowing that there's people that are crazy enough to commit acts like this.

  10. Hanging: a person cannot "hang" themselves whilst standing on the ground, but they can strangle themselves that way. In the same way as people perform "space cowboy", by cutting off the flow of blood to the brain.
    Now, paralysis is always overdone in movies. If your spinal cord is cut, you can still speak and you can't feel anything below the cut, so you won't suffer pain. If the cut is in your upper neck, you may not speak, but you won't be able to breath either, so it will be quick. Paralysis from an accident can be partial, but that is hard to duplicate with a cut.
    When paralytic drugs are used, if they paralyze completely, this also means that the person cannot breathe, so they'll be out very soon. In fact, it is very difficult to create a situation with a paralyzed, conscious, breathing person who can feel pain without a ventilator.
    Just some morbid medical info for you

  11. Theory: what if the killer was the on the police force to do autopsies of victims, and every victim that they autopsied they mutilated?

  12. Every episode is "unsolved" and its seriously creeping me out..

    sees reflection on phone
    WHAT THE-oh it's just my doll nevermind..

  13. So around 15:25 they start talking about the victims being being to confession, same thing happened to my dad's dad in the 50's. He ended up suing Illinois for damaged he suffered and his case was used in the Supreme Case for the Frank Miranda vs Arizona case!

  14. Wolf creek was based on the real serial killer named Ivan Milat and he immobilized several known victims by cutting their spinal cords

  15. He could have hung himself from 5ft7 as he hung from is neck. If the distance from the rope to the ground was 5ft7 then the lenght of his head makes up for him being 5ft8

  16. In defence of Ness, he could have been trying to evacuate the area in a forceful way by making sure that nobody who was unaccounted for such as homeless were displaced and taken care of so they would not be killed, and the shacks burnt down to make sure that for a short time the illegal citizens would not come back until it was over.

  17. wrong again
    Ness burnt the homeless out because that is where the murderer was
    Why do you think the killing stopped?

  18. get on your knees you can hang yourself from a four foot hook
    no one believing it doesn't make it untrue, the number of morons has nothing to do with the truth
    lie detector tests are not used in court because anyone can beat them
    it probably was the doctor

  19. Why am I just now hearing about all there's murder in my home state…. also, two people were just killed in Rocky River.

  20. About one of the suspects hanging themselves in prison on a hook that was smaller than him: There are lots of cases were people died by accident while they performed autoerotic strangulation on themselves. So someone strangling themselves to deathwith a hook on the wall seems very plausible. But it is still very suspicious that he would do that shortly before the trial.

  21. I’m surprised that now, with familial DNA, they haven’t done those tests on the Jane/John Does now. I mean it doesn’t REALLY matter at this point, but……?‍♀️

  22. A man who was hanged at the old St. Augustine jail was asked by a doctor to start wiggling his fingers when they dropped him to see how long he stayed alive and his fingers wiggled for 11 minutes

  23. about the whole "too low to hang" argument. the hook may have been lower than the top of dolezal's head, but it was higher than his neck. this makes suicide plausible in my book. also, if you are intent on taking your own life, you could keep your legs from supporting you.

  24. Seriously guys?! That whole hanging height thing was really embarrassing for you as obvs u dont hang from the top of your head. So you meeasure from your neck to your feet which would allow for what your saying but damb guys smh

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